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Interviewer: One of the things you've talked about before is fracking, and that's... 
Dr. Kugler: Uh-huh.
Interviewer: Basically the practice of extracting oil or natural gas...
Dr. Kugler: Natural...
Interviewer: Out of rock.
Dr. Kugler: Yeah, yes.
Interviewer: What's potentially dangerous about that?
Dr. Kugler: It's not really potentially dangerous.  It's totally abused.  I am a former standarder of indiana research chemists.  For a short time...I don't know, maybe I'm also being under the inference of whatever, but I did that, and I know that fracking works very well with finely ground sand and water only.  Number one.  Suddenly, they come up with tons of chemicals that are put in our fracking fluids.  And nobody tells you what the fracking fluids are.  What we found out through a few back doors what the fracking fluids are.  I guess what I'm suggesting that is the chemical industry's way of disposing toxic chemicals.  Right? And that was going on for quite some time, I had a lot of support from very important people, and a couple of weeks ago major newspapers had a big expose that "Guess what? The chemical industry has toxic chemicals they need to dispose of, for which they would have to pay dearly, they'd suddenly disappear somewhere."  I mean, the, the person who comes and takes it out, with the big tanker truck, right?  I mean, they don't really arrive, what's happening to them?  I mean I'm telling you, this is totally B.S., right? I mean, they're doing this, they're dumping this in, into our groundwater. But very deep, yes. But yet, it does not decompose.  And in several areas already made it into the regular drinking water.  I mean, that is criminal what they're doing, not only that.  They're many other negative things associated with.  I mean, fracking in the gas, natural gas, is touted as the clean fuel.  That's the biggest B.S. that anybody could think of.  And I'd like to challenge anybody out there to argue with me. And i'm saying that fracking, in terms of environmental risk, is worse than coal.  Right? Let me tell you why: During the fracking process, about 3.6% of all the gas, it's mostly methane - is lost into the environment.  The amounts are humongous.  Well, there's two major factors that contribute to environmental risk, climate change.  That's CO2 and methane. Methane was always believed to be 23 times as bad as CO2.  Well, a recalculation...and again, Berkeley University, Professor Curt Smith, Nobel Laureate, a key person in the field: "Methane is 72 times as risky as CO2."  Right? So you have number one the toxic chemicals, you have the methane which is much more risky, and number three, you are losing a lot of methane right into the environment causing that.  And there's a fourth factor.  Anybody think about it, what it is?  Well, you have humongous, powerful compression equipment that has to pump the chemicals and the water and the mixture down into the ground.   What do they run on? Right? Sunshine? No, definitely not.  They burn another... so if you add all these up, the risks are definitely, definitely worse than coal.  And coal is the worst in terms of environmental risk factors.  And so, the B.S. continues from top to bottom.
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Dr. Hans Kugler describes the abuses in the extraction process called 'fracking'. He discusses how it could be done more safely, but how it is instead done with dangerous chemicals. He says it could pose an even greater environmental danger than coal.
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